On class 4-6 orb entities -me- that entity that is usually with me when I project into the denser OBE's has mentioned radiation alot, which was making me think that perhaps that that particular realm/layer that im projecting into has a higher radiation level, there is always a low drone- like a transformer sound when I am projected like that - -him- Was it a hum or a buzz? I ask because a hum is usually a sinusoidal harmonic wave. A buzz is a square wave with lots of harmonics. Repulsive force generators when at idle or in low power mod where a objet is just hovering are run with there repulsive force generators in a pulse mode of any where from 5 - 200 pulses per sec. Each pulse produces a high power push that the momentum of the object ( these objects weigh any where from 100 tons 100,000 metric tons ) dampens out. The radiation at these levels is horizontal from the craft and is almost exclusively low power alpha radiation which gives a dull gray/clear to reddish color plasma. When these objects go to high power mode the radiation will roll over to fast neutrons ( plus another low power repulsive field develops around the object to push the air away so it can travel in a vacuum even though its still in the earths atmosphere at speeds 1,000's of miles an hour). Then the plasma around it is red where the low power field is and bright blue to white in the areas of fast neutrons. Near the area of blue plasma fast neutrons will kill someone almost in seconds. So that is why the blue plasma you see needs to be generated by some other type of radiation(??) or something else. A number of people have been radiation burned and killed by getting to close to them when there doing the " were out a here " routine. -me- - do you have any personal theories on what the different source is? - -him- In my last assignment investigating electrostatic projections for "an uncle of mine". We had also accumulated a few of something like yours and had the equipment and time to study then. ( And we still have them ). They seem to be similar in the way they are produced as yours. why: To sum up what we concluded was we detect them from the voltage in the envelope that surrounds them. Some force makes the electron shells expand from the ground state to a state that equates to a plasma exited by a few thousand volts. But what is really strange with the atoms in the shell of the envelope is that they think that there excited electrons are still in the ground state. But some electrons are still going to the real ground state or we would not be able to see a voltage with our equipment and the energy levels ( 1 -10 kv ) are not great enough to see a visible transition like in a plasma. But if the electrostatic envelope expanded to a state like in a radiation induced plasma ( 1 mev or more ) we would see the transitions to the ground state as colors and the shimmering ( like looking at something thru heated air column ). Like yours maybe (??). Can you see it normally?? If you can, one characteristics of this technology there using is that it will stop electronic current flow in certain spacial orientations. We can test this if want to experiment with your "plasma type envelope" ? They would be simple tests but give us a lot of information on this technology that they are using. Ours don't show us the kind of energies to give a plasma like you described. But I have seem the smoke that suddenly disappears. The envelopes we have can increase the air pressure in them to almost 10 millibars above ambient pressure so they tap things to us either on our skin or on a pressure plate. What do they tap out. That the are aliens and the have been here for a long time and its getting time for the rest of us to know there here.. The reason why now. We just have gotten the technologies to detect them in the last 20 years so that there not going to stay hidden to much longer. Also that was the reason why the people that I use to work for wanted to acquire something solid that you can pick up and hold it as proof was to show people that "are going to have a real hard time with it " and to say something like "Huston we have a problem". What dose you entity say???? -me- - It would have an electromagnetic field, right? or am i getting myself lost here? -him-- It would be a strong field. Like metal objects near it would move away from it or toward it. ( within 2 or 3 feet of it). And in response to ionic plasma displays. The color of a plasma is related to an electrons energy level when they are falling to a ground state. Something else puts the electrons in that energetic state. We at NASA did numerous studies in radiation induced plasma like the ones that have been observed and measured with repulsive force generators and correlated the radiation levels and types to induce different types of plasma ( with alpha and neutron radiations ). A blue plasma takes a lot of energy to generate like shown in those photo's. So they must have a different source than be generated by radiation. And some of the stuff in the pictures seems to be plasma. Some other more benign force than radiation is forcing the atoms into a high energy plasma state. Also generated Plasma here seems to be plasma in the AP realm also. That is in the experiments we have done. And.. Plasma can't become solid unless its held in some kind of electric field. So semisolid AP objects must be more than just plasma. I think the reason entities can move objects is that the air pressure in these "ionic plasma displacement" ( really a high power electrostatic envelope ) is higher inside the object. It only takes a few millibars of pressure difference to make pocket of air seem like it is solid. > Was it a hum or a buzz?>> -me- I would say closer to a buzz i think, it's really hard for me to tell the difference, I just know that I always hear this noise when i have these kind of projections. it sounds like a transformer or the noise that a speaker makes when you have an amped hooked up and you are turning the sound up on your guitar, think of the movie Back to the Future when he hooks his guitar up to that massive speaker and there is something close to my noise, is that a buzz or a hum? -him- <<< is horizontal from the craft and is almost exclusively low power alpha > radiation which gives a dull gray/clear to reddish color plasma. >> -me- would this explain why he was a gray color maybe? -him- <<. Can you see > it normally?? >> -me- as in non obe states? or with normal vision in obe states? -him- < using is that it will stop electronic current flow in certain spacial > orientations.>>> -me- can you explain this in a little more easier terms for me to understand, I think I know what you are talking about here and think this happens alot to me, please try to explain this differently so I can understand it better. How would this affect someone when they do this? like physical things? ear buzzing? room spinning? strobe like shutter effect? -him- << envelope" ? They would be simple tests but give us a lot of information on > this technology that they are using.>> -me- Sure, tell me what to do -him- > What dose you entity say???? >> -me- well most of the time he is showing me things by flashing pictures in my head thru telepathy, it usually flies over my head and it goes so fast i can't keep up, kind of like reading your post here, I'm not that scientifically literate to understand what you are saying but I understand it on a deeper level, do you know what i mean? He talks alot about different scientific things, electrical wiring, polarity, radiation, cold fusion, neutron stars, etc..he's pretty into physics i gather lol:) The one time he told me something before he played the picture flashing game he told me that they are able to come through the electricity and computers, not sure what he meant by that. I asked him if it was possible for him to show himself to me on the 'outside' (meaning in an non-obe state) and he said he would try , about a month later i was sitting and talking with a friend and I saw a being overlap the friend i was talking to, which i assume it was the being in the obe state, that literally scared the hell out of me, so if this is what you meant by can i see him with normal vision, it appears by that day yes i can, but I think it is only when and if he chooses to do so. well the other night the tv turned itself off and then the vcr turned itself on, they are about 7 feet from me when i'm on the computer, last night my sons toys were going nuts. That was one thing that also happens when i have obe's with that guy, my son's toys start flipping out, like that one time i woke up from having an obe with that guy/entity and in the other room my son's toys were making all kind of noise, i don't know if he is an alien/reptoid/a demon/a figment of my imagination/a ghost/a guide/a , he's in the room with me alot when i'm having those dense projections where i get stuck in the wall and have the blue liquid body, and lately he has been trying to show me things, he's the one who kept jerking me out through my feet, he's levitated me above my bed-spun me in circles while I scream and scream me- different post- I dreamt this astral projection guide was telling me I was in too low of an astral realm, he said I was on level 29, or astral world 29 or something and it was too low of astral to be able to survive, that a demon entity had attached to me like a virus and was trying to kill me, that the chances of survival here in this low 29 astral plane were slim, that I might not survive. I had another obe last night, it was one of those kind where I wake up in bed, don't get out of bed, it's kind of like I am not in paralysis - I'm able to move on the bed ok, but there is an entity in the room with me and I think for some reason he is able to keep me from moving around too much, this has only happened a few times, remember last month i posted about the entity/person/whatever who was in my room giving me a back rub? well, it felt like it was the same one, but he wouldn't let me look at him again for some reason, he was in back of me and wouldnt let me turn around to see who he was, he seems familiar like i know him but i can't figure out who it is, and it isn't (I don't think) the guide one who shows me things. Last night he said something to me, the first time he didn't, but last night when i noticed he was there touching my back again and I tried to turn around to see who it was, he wouldn't let me turn around, so i just relaxed a little and kind of settled back like resting on him, and he seemed suprised and said "you're not scared?" and i said "no" and then i came out of the obe, does anyone know what to make of this? or have had a similar experience? -him- If your interested I asked one the entities ( electrostatic projections ) that tap things out, and move things for us to go and see you and stay there. I did it just as an experiment to see if it would really happen. I guess the next thing now is to ask them to leave you and see if it happens. -me- At 03:17 PM 11/13/01 -0000, you wrote: yeah, he's different than the other one, the other one is gray, this one is blue, the other one lets me see his face and he has always been like a teacher -me another post- How do they tap things out for you and how do you decipher it? Is it like morse code? I am asking because when i first started having contact, i would hear tapping and I thought to myself a few times that i wondered if it was like morse code or something but never really tried too hard to figure it out, I remember at that time, when i was hearing the tapping i was having alot of dreams about crystals -him- > I would get into awful lot of trouble if I said anything else. > The crystals are called pizo electric crystals and they generate current > when pressure is applied to them. > Well the experiment isn't finished until we have an effect that we can replicate. So, lets see if they come back. Then if they do then I will send them back. "If" this is them, they are the ones that "claim" to be aliens and there not bad guys at all. My girl friend can't sleep with me much anymore because they are always whispering in her ear and she feels someone standing next to her all night. And then see starts having visions. Me they just pull on my leg along with other effects. But I get the impression they don't like your friend..(gray friend) . Me they just pull on > my leg along with other effects. -me- what other effects? -him- Touching effects. Electrostatic effects that will make your hand or feet feel like there in jello. But you can still move them. Then the effect will release and reappear around you a few minutes later. I kinda call it irritating. I'm not allowed to go into anymore detail on these effects. -me- yesterday i had a strange out of body when i laid down to take a nap after work, I don't recall a whole lot of it, i just know the before i went out of body i was getting some very strange sensations and hearing some very bizarre noises, not like my normal out of bodies, and all i remember is that it was strange but cannot remember what the strange part was like if that makes sense. When i finally managed to get out of my body i couldn't see very clearly but when i looked down i could see the floor, i thought i was in the bedroom and things were really hazy and when i looked at the floor it was all white, like linoleum or tile (my bedroom has carpet) , I could feel someone near me and I said "would someone please talk to me" and then i came out of it, back in the phyaical body. -me- have these projections told you where they are from? -him- No, They seem to say that there were 2 groups in control of this region. And a 3rd that has made contact with us that no one wants around. Just lately there is only one group now in control of this region of space. Code names ( which are names we just arbitrarily assigned to them ) that were applied to these 2 groups that are used for now are ARCANGLES and D'Lons. Did they say where they came from to you? All information is still suspect from any of them whom or what they may really be. -me- no they didnt say. I also get alot of phone calls where no one else is on the other line, does anyone else? I have an unlisted number and hardly get telemarketers calling and really not very many people have my phone number for this to be happening too much and it tends to happen when i have alot of obe's. -him- I've seen small CMOS microcomputers get popped so they don't run anymore by strong projections moving through them. Else they will lockup until you turn them off when weaker projections move through them. Did anything "not" happen last night with your friend? -me- I didn't go out of body last night, i did however feel something in the room with me and told it to go back to you, how bout you, did 'they, it whatever' come back? -him- There's so much weird stuff going on I couldn't tell. My request was excepted. They indicated that they came back late yesterday and I gave them something to tell you tonight. Do you have anyone I can e-mail what I told them to use as a control person for this experiment? I also asked them to visit some other people to see if they noticed them -me- i'm really curious, what day did you tell them last time to come here? Was it last week? On Monday? -him- It was monday or Tues of last week. -me- last monday morning a.m. something was with me at work, that is why i asked, i don't recall the time, but it hit me in waves, some other stuff happened too but i think i will keep that part to myself, how bizarre -him- Yes it is, especially inside ..(??). I've seen small CMOS microcomputers get popped so they > don't run anymore by strong projections moving through them. > > Else they will lockup until you turn them off when weaker projections > move through them.>>> -me- I was thinking on this today, by "projections" you are meaning things like what you sent over here right? What is it in the projections that cause the computer problems? the electromagnetic field? I've been thinking about getting an EMF meter, do you use one of these? Ok, what if a projection moves by something like a battery operated toy, could it cause it to start playing by itself? that has happened quite a bit in the last week, something that happened yesterday that really struck me odd is my cell phone started beeping, I have a prepaid cell phone, and havent used it in 8 months, and it hasn't made one single noise in all that time until now. Another thing i am now wondering about, is have you ever done tests on yourself when these projections are close to you? I'm thinking the energy from these things could possibly be changing the brain wave pattern- like what would happen in deep meditation- which could possibly lower the blood pressure, like maybe the electrical stuff in these projections alter the brain waves into say maybe alpha? I don't know i am just thinking out loud. On the sensations while I am physically conscious, I have been trying really hard to come up with a way to describe them. I want to say it is like touching, but not touching physically, it is like the skin is translucent and they are touching a layer below. I think what 'they/it/whatever' is doing is touching the astral body, and the strange sensation comes from being conscious of it happening while we are aware in the physical body, it is like being aware of both bodies at once, like you said 'a feeling like sticking your hand in jello' , i think that is because they are 'reaching through' they are not limited at the physical , they can reach through and touch the astral body. Back when I was hearing the tapping in '92 , I had some experiences where I would be physically standing up, like say at work, and I would feel this "other body" (I'm assuming it is the 'astral body' - the body they are reaching through to 'touch') falling inside of my physical body, it was like collapsing and i could feel it, it was a really strange feeling, but i think it was happening so that i could understand the feel of both bodies while physically conscious. Another thing that is familiar to these sensations is when i get 'spirit messages' to give to other people, it is like i feel something move through me, not physically but through this 'other body'. The 'thing/s?' that you sent seem to be very interested in sexual stuff, that is what i didn't want to talk about yesterday, it could be my energy that causes that though or that they are just merely curious? but that is about as graphic as i really want to get in that area. that was why i asked about the sensations your girlfriend was getting from them. I was thinking on this today, by "projections" you are meaning things like what you sent over here right? What is it in the projections that cause the computer problems? the electromagnetic field? I've been thinking about getting an EMF meter, do you use one of these? Ok, what if a projection moves by something like a battery operated toy, could it cause it to start playing by itself? that has happened quite a bit in the last week, something that happened yesterday that really struck me odd is my cell phone started beeping, I have a prepaid cell phone, and havent used it in 8 months, and it hasn't made one single noise in all that time until now. -him- -- I use to work for people that were trying to acquire this technology these "people" are using. -- Very advanced... --They have already set up in all our major military centers and political institutions with there "electrostatic projections". -- The cell phone beeps because the processor resets from the electrostatic field because it will stop the flow of current in certain spacial orientations. And there is enough power in these electrostatic shells sometimes to run a whole city... -me- Another thing i am now wondering about, is have you ever done tests on yourself when these projections are close to you? I'm thinking the energy from these things could possibly be changing the brain wave pattern- like what would happen in deep meditation- which could possibly lower the blood pressure, like maybe the electrical stuff in these projections alter the brain waves into say maybe alpha? I don't know i am just thinking out loud. -him- -- Yes, these people do invasive surgery when they see something is wrong with you. They insert a 'cloaked" cathader type object into a big vein and move up through your heart to any part of your body to "fix, or upgrade". You can see the equipment with a CAT scan when it is inside of you but you can't see it and only "feel' the force from the electrostatic field.. You will see the cathader bulge the vein as it moves up though it. And you will measure the electrostatic field where enters the skin. And if you look real close after it is done you will see a very small scar. They don't seem to be doing anything bad to you ( yes they did it to me ) Do you ears feel like they need to be popped? I don't know if they will go away once they start upgrading you. -me- On the sensations while I am physically conscious, I have been trying really hard to come up with a way to describe them. I want to say it is like touching, but not touching physically, it is like the skin is translucent and they are touching a layer below. I think what 'they/it/whatever' is doing is touching the astral body, and the strange sensation comes from being conscious of it happening while we are aware in the physical body, it is like being aware of both bodies at once, like you said 'a feeling like sticking your hand in jello' , i think that is because they are 'reaching through' they are not limited at the physical , they can reach through and touch the astral body. Back when I was hearing the tapping in '92 , I had some experiences where I would be physically standing up, like say at work, and I would feel this "other body" (I'm assuming it is the 'astral body' - the body they are reaching through to 'touch') falling inside of my physical body, it was like collapsing and i could feel it, it was a really strange feeling, but i think it was happening so that i could understand the feel of both bodies while physically conscious. Another thing that is familiar to these sensations is when i get 'spirit messages' to give to other people, it is like i feel something move through me, not physically but through this 'other body'. The 'thing/s?' that you sent seem to be very interested in sexual stuff, that is what i didn't want to talk about yesterday, it could be my energy that causes that though or that they are just merely curious? but that is about as graphic as i really want to get in that area. that was why i asked about the sensations your girlfriend was getting from them. --They are working on you physical self and your astral body... Ever thing you could live 500 years..... Your right sex is the last thing on there mind. -him My girl friend gets really scared and the pretends there not there. She's catholic and gose the church every Sunday. Remotely they are putting your feet into a contraption that holds them still in there frame of reference so that when you walk or move it looks like to them like you foot is still in one place... So that it is easier for them to work on you.. That is what gives you the jell o feeling.. -me- Last night I told them to please leave me alone, i will try to get the message tonight if I feel more grounded by then. this stuff can be kind of mind blowing at times, especially when you think something for a long time but try to push it off as your own imagination working overtime and then something gets validated and the reality of it all smacks you hard in the face. -him - The D.o.D. doesn't think there very funny... Or imaginary.... --The big thing that is going to happen is there going to "Tap the world on the shoulder" REAL soon and say "WERE HERE". They want people who are not afraid of them that they have a connection with to work with them when they do there big surprise. You must have passed or they would have left you. This is what they have said to me.. -- And you know.. -- "THIS IS CRAZY" -- But what can you do about it since all there doing is fixing you. And I can't get rid of them. But there being just plain irritating for now. But you do end up feeling really good after a while like being able to run 40 miles and be very tired. And who knows, if it this really true ( I still think this is just too crazy to be real ) we could be talking to the UN tomorrow. -- They seem to want about 100 people to accept them and work with them, help them and make sure no one dose anything "rash" like launch a whole bunch of nukes after the big surprise. And they do seem benign since they wanted to be abnosious I'm sure they would have done it 10,000 years ago. - Is it real? Its seems real when shits going up my vein, but?????????????????. -me- I've often wondered if this may be the reason that I 'miraculously' got pregnant with my son, the doctors said my chances of 'ever getting pregnant again were 1 in a million. guess i'll never know really, but it's a thought him- n One of my best friends Lisa who also "acquired" one these "electrostatic projections" n broke her neck ( 2 vertebra, was operated on for 6 hours ) had one in 8 million chance of not being a quadriplegic. Walked away from the hospital 2 days later and was off her neck brace in one month instead of 6 months. -me- i've been wondering, if someones energy field starts vibrating at a faster speed, would that speed up their time or make their time frame/window larger? -him- Time seems to run alot faster for these "electrostatic projections". Like may it may be 10 seconds for them is one second for us. -me- So if one of these are around us is it possible they are 'interupting' our own space time? him--- I think so. They say they can. -me- Like there have been many times that I have seen things ahead of time that appear to me to be happening as if it were now, like my time window is larger than normal, usually this is accompanied by a buzzing spinning sensation- a kind of zoning out. -him n I've had that where I see an object really close up but I was across the room Same strange sensations too. I also will feel disconnected during the event. n -me- n Someone once told me that my time is different than normal , but if this were the case it seems like it would be happening all of the time, it would make more sense to me that if one of these projections are nearby and causing a time interupt in my own field it is causing this to happen? do you have this happen when they are around? -him- n -- Yes and the reason is: They have a metal frame they set up and walk through to get here as an electrostatic projection. When frame unit has access to a local object like a wall or window or door way ect. The event will lower the endothermic energy of the air a few inches from the opening or the wall that it has access to. Air flow can occur the room will cool off substantially during the time the door is open. This event seems to alter our reality in so many strange ways I can't describe all of them. Effects like you see. Or like I have had hearing people and heavy equipment being moved around in rooms that no one is there. Temporal events happening once and then again?? It feels like a hick up, then everything happens again........ Seeing things that aren't possible when you standing close to one of these doors with everyone else your with seeing the same thing if there within a certain distance of the opening. When one of these doors are set up you can detect them first by tracking where the cold air comes from. Then you can outline the frame of it by its electrostatic signature. It will be constant all around the frame but be 0 in the opening when it is closed and off the scale when it is open. --Do you think they set up one at your location? If so, dose it open at one certain time? Would you think you could go through it while your APing at that time? it will be the only time you can get through it is when they open it. No one has done this yet. Well ok, that ever came back to tell us what happens... --The one thing they have a hard time doing is ever really knowing where they are. So when they want set up camp they need to first localize where you are. When I came in contact with them they localized me and now use my connections here to fan out and connect with everyone else that will except them. They can try to connect with anyone but they only want to connect with people that can deal with them and except. And it looks like the Internet is a way that they can use to connect with other people they want to work with. -him- > -- Yes and the reason is: > They have a metal frame they set up and walk through to get here as an > electrostatic projection. When frame unit has access to a local object > like a wall or window or door way ect. The event will lower the endothermic > energy of the air a few inches from the opening or the wall that it has > access to. Air flow can occur the room will cool off substantially during > the time the door is open. This event seems to alter our reality in so many > strange ways I can't describe all of them. Effects like you see. Or like > I have had hearing people and heavy equipment being moved around in rooms > that > no one is there. Temporal events happening once and then again?? > > It feels like a hick up, then everything happens again........ >>> n -me- n this all makes sense to me. the "hick up" definitely makes sense to me, the only way i've been able to tell the difference is when it happens with people, if i see a person walk by and i'm in this state they won't acknowledge me, but then when they walk by again in real time they will. i've had the hearing people and hearing stuff being moved around as well. You said when frame access has access to a local object like a window or a wall, this makes me wonder, when i am in these dense AP states and going through a window or a wall it is usually hard for me to get through, I am like a liquid and it is hard for me to get through, or either that or it is hard for me to move through because the thing i'm moving through seems to be of some kind of liquid? I don't notice cold in these states but I do notice something like alot of wind activity or something. Is it possible that when they set these up they are not always in the same place? n -him- n n > > Seeing things that aren't possible when you standing close to one of these > doors > with everyone else your with seeing the same thing if there within a certain > distance of the opening. When one of these doors are set up you can detect > them > first by tracking where the cold air comes from. Then you can outline the > frame of > it by its electrostatic signature. It will be constant all around the frame > but be > 0 in the opening when it is closed and off the scale when it is open. -me- n n I will try to pay more attention to cold feelings and stuff, I have never thought of something like this n -him- n > > --Do you think they set up one at your location? > If so, dose it open at one certain time? Would you think you could go > through it > while your APing at that time? >> n -me- n I know the gray friend has taken me through something in the closet but I don't recall where we went or what happened, when i woke up i thought it was odd that we went through the closet- instead of the window. Have you ever heard strange metallic ripping sounds in astral? I've had that a few times too, those happened in false awakening states, when i thought i was actually awake, well, alot of this stuff happens in false awakening states, I think i'm awake and when i get out of bed it takes me a few minutes to realize i'm AP, usually it is the entities presence that clues me in. -him- n n << it is > when they open it. No one has done this yet. Well ok, that ever came back > to tell us > what happens... >> n -me- n if i have been through it, i don't remember what happened, and it happened while I was out of body, if it is what I think you are talking about I think I have but i think I don't know how to bring back the memory, i remember going through, but i don't remember anything else. Ive often thought about getting hypnotized to see if that would give me more answers. Are you saying that you know people who have went through these things physically and never came back? n -him- n > > --The one thing they have a hard time doing is ever really knowing where > they are. > So when they want set up camp they need to first localize where you are.>> -me n how do they do this? -him- n > When I came in contact with them they localized me and now use my connections > here to fan out and connect with everyone else that will except them. > They can try to connect with anyone but they only want to connect with > people that > can deal with them and except. > > And it looks like the Internet is a way that they can use to connect with > other people > they want to work with.>>>> -me- n that is what the gray one told me last year, that they go through the computer, do you know HOW they do this? Do you only seem to have the strange stuff happening when you are near the frame unit or do they seem to follow you around? like say they have a unit set up in your bedroom, can they follow you to work? can they be in the car with you? once they come through the frame they arent' just limited to a certain area right? the frame is like some sort of vortex, right? would this frame unit cause a clock to run backward? The ones who visit me seem to be able to follow me anywhere -him- > first by tracking where the cold air comes from. Then you can outline the > frame of > it by its electrostatic signature. It will be constant all around the frame > but be > 0 in the opening when it is closed and off the scale when it is open. =me- what would i need to try to measure this with? I don't have alot of money, is there something simple that i could use to try to do this? Are you using some kind of meter? -him- --There is a hand held tempature and humidity meter that radio shack sells for about 30.00 that uses a humidity sensor that measures the conductivity in the air. It's not a true electrostatic sensor. But one of aspects to there "electrostatic envolopes" is that in the "shell of the envolope" the conductivity of the air (or any object the shell is crossing ) that it is going through it increases sometimes 10 fold across the face shell. Example Cross section of --------- electrostatic envolope This humidity sensors has 2 plates |objetct | | | --------- | | copper|Insulator |copper \ | | | | envolope | | | | around cloaked | | | | object | | | | | | / real physical objects that cross into this boundry become more conductive due to weak force distubances in there atomic structure The sensor at the end of the humidity sensor for this radio shack meter will register a false humidity level of 2 to 10 times what is there. The microprocessor samples at a rate of once per 2 seconds so it gives a good real time feel for the envolope. You just have to be carful you don't pass the processor part of the unit through the envolope since it will reset it or worst case kill it. The EEPROM in them is effected by this envolope such the the stupid things losses its program when EEPROM's cells cross the envolope and won't work anymore. I can get you the number of it later. -me- does anyone know what happens to time in an empty space? and what is "empty space"? is the "empty space" the same as the 'envelope" (Richard?) -him- It's very complicated. But empty space would not have any time as we know it. Empty space would be a place with no "0 energy" or matter or energy or the little objects ( with the 11 or x(?) number of rolled up dimensions that we don't understand yet ) that make all this up that are plank's distance in size ( shape is unknown ). They are considered the pixel ( like a spots on a TV screen when you look closely at it) that makes up our universe( with the universe being the TV screen ). They seem to act like the ether people had so long try to prove or disprove. The envelopes can't be described yet with the physics we understand today. But they do contain matter so they aren't empty, but they are doing stuff we can't describe or understand either....... So, who knows??
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